“This podcast gets very personal, very fast.” That’s how Brené Brown prepares her listeners for this episode of her podcast. Brown is a research professor at the University of Houston who studies courage, vulnerability, shame, and empathy. She’s a woman of faith, author of five #1 New York Times bestsellers, and host of the podcast “Unlocking Us.” In a recent podcast Brené spoke with Drs. John and Julie Gottman, who have taken more than 40 years of breakthrough research and written or co-written more than 40 books on marital stability, divorce prediction, and how science can help people have successful, loving relationships. Their research and writing have been used with several small groups at St. John’s, with a positive reception.

In this podcast episode, Brené and the Gottmans talk about the toll the pandemic has taken on couples, their work in the context of current events, and practical shifts that can help us take care of each other. You can listen to “What Makes Love Last” (82 minutes long) here: https://brenebrown.com/podcast/brene-with-drs-john-and-julie-gottman-on-what-makes-love-last/.

After listening to the podcast with your partner, join Pastor Matt and Becca Poock for an hour of conversation and connection over Zoom on Tuesday, March 23, at 7pm. Please RSVP to Pastor Matt by Wednesday, March 24.